Ciara and Dean co-host The Sundae Presents, a podcast in which they each make the other watch films they haven’t seen. For our third Halloween Spooktacular, Dean shows Ciara one of the most iconic horror films of their adolescene: Saw. They talk about how it riffs on and/or rips off Se7en, the strange politics of John Kramer, and the shadow of the real torture of the Bush administration.

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